欣赏老表 发表于 2012-1-19 12:02:00

<p><font face="Verdana">大家一起来总汇早期仿制罗马表机芯的第一代国产老表</font>。。。</p>
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<p>通过和大师交流学习,以及学习研讨网上各位大藏家的藏品,我总结有如下几种:</p>
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古董表收藏2012 发表于 2012-1-19 12:03:00

<div class="quote"><b>以下是引用<i>国产表007</i>在2012-1-18 14:22:00的发言:</b><br/>
<p>第3块 成型完整人造卫星手表表 机芯字不鎏金&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 机芯字【不鎏金】要比后来鎏金字还要早&nbsp;&nbsp; 还要少 &nbsp;目前仅见一块&nbsp; </p></div>
<p>请问这些人造卫星手表是只有机芯,还是有完整手表,你说的这第3块是成型完整的人造卫星表可以来个完整的图片看一下吗,谢谢</p>

古董表收藏2012 发表于 2012-1-19 12:08:00

<div class="quote"><b>以下是引用<i>天堂解累汁</i>在2012-1-18 0:57:00的发言:</b><br/><br/><img title="dvubb"border="0" alt="图片点击可在新窗口打开查看" src="http://www.watchstore.com.cn/skins/default/filetype/jpg.gif"/>此主题相关图片如下:11.jpg<br/><a href="http://img.watchstore.com.cn/data/attachment/forum/2012-1/2012118057086430.jpg" target="_blank"><img style="WIDTH: 500px" title="dvubb"border="0" alt="图片点击可在新窗口打开查看" src="http://img.watchstore.com.cn/data/attachment/forum/2012-1/2012118057086430.jpg"/></a><br/><br/><img title="dvubb"border="0" alt="图片点击可在新窗口打开查看" src="http://www.watchstore.com.cn/skins/default/filetype/jpg.gif"/>此主题相关图片如下:13.jpg<br/><a href="http://img.watchstore.com.cn/data/attachment/forum/2012-1/2012118057078972.jpg" target="_blank"><img style="WIDTH: 500px" title="dvubb"border="0" alt="图片点击可在新窗口打开查看" src="http://img.watchstore.com.cn/data/attachment/forum/2012-1/2012118057078972.jpg"/></a>这只安东表也不对啊,内机和后盖都是17钻,可是盘标却是16钻,是错写还是拼装的产物啊,请具体剖析一下此表的状况,谢谢<br/></div>
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天堂解累汁 发表于 2012-1-19 21:14:00

<div class="quote"><b>以下是引用<i>古董表收藏2012</i>在2012-1-19 12:08:00的发言:</b><br/>
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<p>安东表有一型和二型两种。。。。</p>

国产表007 发表于 2012-1-20 15:46:00

天堂兄 上海第一次试制 大连 红岸&nbsp;到此为止 &nbsp;有时些【拥有实物】玩家 对我不满 还有大连一位 国产玩家 对此事 也有些不满 希望理解

国产表007 发表于 2012-1-20 15:59:00

<font face="Verdana">http://www.watchlead.com/wbbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&amp;tid=3443&amp;extra=page%3D43</font>

国产表007 发表于 2012-1-20 16:03:00

<p>另外 上海第一次试制 也不属于 我提供&nbsp; 因为隔壁名表通 富版 早就发过关于第一次试制 具体非常详细&nbsp; 什么机芯 什么结构 【标题&nbsp; 这是一块 上海表 】只是大家没仔细阅读 罢了</p>

国产表007 发表于 2012-1-20 16:06:00

<p class="MsoNormal" style="TEXT-INDENT: 21pt" 2.0? mso-char-indent-count: 0pt; 0cm="0cm" 0cm?><font size="3"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" Roman?; mso-ascii-font-family: ?Times new="New" Roman?? New?>国产第一块全钢长三针细马手表诞生于</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>1956</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" Roman?; mso-ascii-font-family: ?Times new="New" Roman?? New?>年</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>9</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" Roman?; mso-ascii-font-family: ?Times new="New" Roman?? New?>月。为了生产这块“争气表”</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" Roman?; mso-ascii-font-family: ?Times new="New" Roman?? New?>有关部门从上海</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>28</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" Roman?; mso-ascii-font-family: ?Times new="New" Roman?? New?>个手表工业单位抽调了</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>58</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" Roman?; mso-ascii-font-family: ?Times new="New" Roman?? New?>位能工巧匠</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" Roman?; mso-ascii-font-family: ?Times new="New" Roman?? New?>组成技术攻关小组</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" Roman?; mso-ascii-font-family: ?Times new="New" Roman?? New?>用集体的智慧与力量去攻克技术难关</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" Roman?; mso-ascii-font-family: ?Times new="New" Roman?? New?>攀登技术高峰。这些修表匠和造钟工汇集在一起</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" Roman?; mso-ascii-font-family: ?Times new="New" Roman?? New?>利用简陋的设备和一块罗马表作样本</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" Roman?; mso-ascii-font-family: ?Times new="New" Roman?? New?>开始了艰苦的创业路。没有原材料</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" Roman?; mso-ascii-font-family: ?Times new="New" Roman?? New?>就用进口雨伞的钢骨、自行车的钢丝加工手表的轴承</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" Roman?; mso-ascii-font-family: ?Times new="New" Roman?? New?>用进口口琴的簧片加工手表的齿轮片。没有钻头</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" Roman?; mso-ascii-font-family: ?Times new="New" Roman?? New?>就用缝衣针淬火改制</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>;</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" Roman?; mso-ascii-font-family: ?Times new="New" Roman?? New?>没有制作手表的专用设备</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" Roman?; mso-ascii-font-family: ?Times new="New" Roman?? New?>修表的小摆车成了“ffice:smarttags" /&gt;<st1<img src="static/image/smiley/default/tongue.gif" border="0" alt="" smilieid="7" />ersonName w:st="on" productid="万能"&gt;万能</st1<img src="static/image/smiley/default/tongue.gif" border="0" alt="" smilieid="7" />ersonName&gt;博士”。一群工匠硬是用锉刀锉、手工磨</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" Roman?; mso-ascii-font-family: ?Times new="New" Roman?? New?>以韧劲和巧劲的结合</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" Roman?; mso-ascii-font-family: ?Times new="New" Roman?? New?>花了三个月时间</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" Roman?; mso-ascii-font-family: ?Times new="New" Roman?? New?>终于赶在国庆前夕完成了手表的试制任务。国产第一块手表诞生了</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" Roman?; mso-ascii-font-family: ?Times new="New" Roman?? New?>结束了中国人用“万国表”的历史</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" Roman?; mso-ascii-font-family: ?Times new="New" Roman?? New?>中国手表工业新的一页也由此揭开。此表当时共试制了</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>18</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" Roman?; mso-ascii-font-family: ?Times new="New" Roman?? New?>块</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" Roman?; mso-ascii-font-family: ?Times new="New" Roman?? New?>表面上清晰地写着“第一次试制样品</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>1955.10</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" Roman?; mso-ascii-font-family: ?Times new="New" Roman?? New?>上海”字样</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" Roman?; mso-ascii-font-family: ?Times new="New" Roman?? New?>定价为</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>48</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" Roman?; mso-ascii-font-family: ?Times new="New" Roman?? New?>元。</span><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?> <span lang="EN-US"><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com<img
src=" /><o:p></o:p></span></font></font></p>

国产表007 发表于 2012-1-20 16:07:00

<img id="aimg_15179" title="这是一块上海表" alt="这是一块上海表" src="http://www.watchlead.com/wbbs/data/attachment/forum/dvbbs/2010-2/20102191440191151.jpg" outfunc="null" unselectable="true" initialized="true" lazyloaded="true" zoomfile="data/attachment/forum/dvbbs/2010-2/20102191440191151.jpg" file="data/attachment/forum/dvbbs/2010-2/20102191440191151.jpg" thumbimg="1" inpost="1"/>

九霄云雾 发表于 2012-1-20 17:06:00

<p>学习了</p>

古董表收藏2012 发表于 2012-1-20 18:36:00

<div class="quote"><b>以下是引用<i>国产表007</i>在2012-1-20 16:07:00的发言:</b><br/><img style="WIDTH: 500px; CURSOR: pointer" id="aimg_15179" title="这是一块上海表"onclick="javascript:window.open(this.src);" alt="图片点击可在新窗口打开查看" src="http://www.watchlead.com/wbbs/data/attachment/forum/dvbbs/2010-2/20102191440191151.jpg" inpost="1" thumbimg="1" file="data/attachment/forum/dvbbs/2010-2/20102191440191151.jpg" zoomfile="data/attachment/forum/dvbbs/2010-2/20102191440191151.jpg" lazyloaded="true" initialized="true" unselectable="true" outfunc="null"/> 这个材料都有,很厉害,这只试制表确实与老罗马表非常相似,这样版型的罗马表手中可能有几只的,很好的资料,欣赏学习了</div>
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简明 发表于 2012-1-20 23:29:00

<div class="quote"><b>以下是引用<i>国产表007</i>在2012-1-20 16:06:00的发言:</b><br/>
<p style="TEXT-INDENT: 21pt" class="MsoNormal" 0cm? 0cm="0cm" 0pt; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0?><font size="3"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" New? Roman?? new="New" ?Times mso-ascii-font-family: Roman?;>国产第一块全钢长三针细马手表诞生于</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>1956</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" New? Roman?? new="New" ?Times mso-ascii-font-family: Roman?;>年</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>9</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" New? Roman?? new="New" ?Times mso-ascii-font-family: Roman?;>月。为了生产这块“争气表”</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" New? Roman?? new="New" ?Times mso-ascii-font-family: Roman?;>有关部门从上海</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>28</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" New? Roman?? new="New" ?Times mso-ascii-font-family: Roman?;>个手表工业单位抽调了</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>58</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" New? Roman?? new="New" ?Times mso-ascii-font-family: Roman?;>位能工巧匠</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" New? Roman?? new="New" ?Times mso-ascii-font-family: Roman?;>组成技术攻关小组</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" New? Roman?? new="New" ?Times mso-ascii-font-family: Roman?;>用集体的智慧与力量去攻克技术难关</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" New? Roman?? new="New" ?Times mso-ascii-font-family: Roman?;>攀登技术高峰。这些修表匠和造钟工汇集在一起</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" New? Roman?? new="New" ?Times mso-ascii-font-family: Roman?;>利用简陋的设备和一块罗马表作样本</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" New? Roman?? new="New" ?Times mso-ascii-font-family: Roman?;>开始了艰苦的创业路。没有原材料</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" New? Roman?? new="New" ?Times mso-ascii-font-family: Roman?;>就用进口雨伞的钢骨、自行车的钢丝加工手表的轴承</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" New? Roman?? new="New" ?Times mso-ascii-font-family: Roman?;>用进口口琴的簧片加工手表的齿轮片。没有钻头</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" New? Roman?? new="New" ?Times mso-ascii-font-family: Roman?;>就用缝衣针淬火改制</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>;</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" New? Roman?? new="New" ?Times mso-ascii-font-family: Roman?;>没有制作手表的专用设备</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" New? Roman?? new="New" ?Times mso-ascii-font-family: Roman?;>修表的小摆车成了“ffice:smarttags" /&gt;<st1<img smilieid="7" alt="" border="0" src="static/image/smiley/default/tongue.gif" />ersonName w:st="on" productid="万能"&gt;万能</st1<img smilieid="7" alt="" border="0" src="static/image/smiley/default/tongue.gif" />ersonName&gt;博士”。一群工匠硬是用锉刀锉、手工磨</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" New? Roman?? new="New" ?Times mso-ascii-font-family: Roman?;>以韧劲和巧劲的结合</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" New? Roman?? new="New" ?Times mso-ascii-font-family: Roman?;>花了三个月时间</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" New? Roman?? new="New" ?Times mso-ascii-font-family: Roman?;>终于赶在国庆前夕完成了手表的试制任务。国产第一块手表诞生了</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" New? Roman?? new="New" ?Times mso-ascii-font-family: Roman?;>结束了中国人用“万国表”的历史</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" New? Roman?? new="New" ?Times mso-ascii-font-family: Roman?;>中国手表工业新的一页也由此揭开。此表当时共试制了</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>18</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" New? Roman?? new="New" ?Times mso-ascii-font-family: Roman?;>块</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" New? Roman?? new="New" ?Times mso-ascii-font-family: Roman?;>表面上清晰地写着“第一次试制样品</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>1955.10</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" New? Roman?? new="New" ?Times mso-ascii-font-family: Roman?;>上海”字样</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>,</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" New? Roman?? new="New" ?Times mso-ascii-font-family: Roman?;>定价为</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?>48</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-hansi-font-family: 'Times new=" New? Roman?? new="New" ?Times mso-ascii-font-family: Roman?;>元。</span><font face="Times new=" New? Roman?> <span lang="EN-US"><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com<img
src=" /><o:p></o:p></span></font></font></p></div>
<p><strong>&nbsp; </p>
<p align="left">这段文字引自《国产第一块手表拍卖记》&nbsp;</p>
<p>蛮有意思的说法,学习了!</strong></p>
[此贴子已经被作者于2012-1-21 14:15:00编辑过]

简明 发表于 2012-1-20 23:37:00

<div class="quote"><b>以下是引用<i>简明</i>在2012-1-20 23:29:00的发言:</b><br/>
<p><strong>&nbsp; </p>
<p align="left">这段文字引自《国产第一块手表拍卖记》&nbsp;</p>
<p>蛮有意思的说法,学习了!</strong></p>
<div align="right"><font color="#000066">[此贴子已经被作者于2012-1-20 23:34:41编辑过]</font></div></div>
<p>这篇文章起转承和的过程,大概需要某些的起因,于是就出现了一个人。</p>
<p>范干平——上海国际拍卖有限公司执行总裁!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>这个与贵州有着26年渊源的上海人,亲切地将安顺称为第二故乡。<br/>上世纪80年代的知青下乡运动中,范干平来到安顺紫云当了4年知青。在安顺生活了26年后他又返回上海发展。</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>加一个链接:</p>
<p><font face="Verdana"><a href="http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_50609a680100eo8r.html">http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_50609a680100eo8r.html</a></font></p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>第二个链接:</p>
<p><font face="Verdana"><a href="http://www.paifun.net/news/2010-11-16/3854.html">http://www.paifun.net/news/2010-11-16/3854.html</a></font></p>
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简明 发表于 2012-1-21 00:10:00

<div class="quote">感想:00001</div>
<p>现在好像是一个颠乱与躁狂的时代。</p>
<p>颠覆是一种时髦以至于是时尚。</p>
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<p>只要有了想得出,于是也就有了做得到。</p>
<p>胡适先生说过:大胆假设,</p>
<p>但是后面的一句往往是被忽略的:<strong>小心求证</strong>。</p>
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<p>民事诉讼里有:谁主张,谁举证。</p>
<p>我想要,非常想要看看事件举证的事实和结果。</p>
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<p>否则:不过:而且:</p>
<p>只是一个假设!仅仅是一个假设!</p>
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<p>不说啦!又是抬杠话!</p>
[此贴子已经被作者于2012-1-21 14:27:36编辑过]

天堂解累汁 发表于 2012-1-21 01:12:00

<div class="quote"><b>以下是引用<i>简明</i>在2012-1-21 0:10:00的发言:</b><br/>
<p>现在好像是一个颠乱与躁狂的时代。</p>
<p>颠覆是一种时尚以至于时髦。</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>只要有了想得出,于是也就有了做得到。</p>
<p>胡适先生说过:大胆假设...</p>
<p>但是后面的一句往往是被忽略的:<strong>小心求证</strong>。</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>民事诉讼里有:谁提出,谁举证。</p>
<p>我倒要,想要看看举证的事实。</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>否则:不过:而且:仅仅是假设!</p>
<p>不说啦!又是抬杠!</p>
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<p>非常好!</p>
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